[Mesogeiakos]

wow!Ierapetra is back!!

[Ian Williams]

Mesogeiakos, on 06 February 2012 - 22:47, said:

wow!Ierapetra is back!!

LOL You had me excited then! I thought you meant it was back with HNMS, Yes the NOA site was down since the 3rd thats why i was waiting before publishing the rest on here

[Mesogeiakos]

Ian Williams, on 06 February 2012 - 22:52, said:

LOL You had me excited then! I thought you meant it was back with HNMS, Yes the NOA site was down since the 3rd thats why i was waiting before publishing the rest on here

hehe I mean a come back in the fight!! As far as Rincon goes nah it wont be anywhere near the scorching summers of South Crete!!

[Ian Williams]

Here is the last 7 days data, with 17 days to go collectively the 2 countries annual means are

Greece 19.44C
Spain 19.33C


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[Mesogeiakos]

Just for the record according to the data (as published by NOA) of both the old and new HNMS Palaiohora station 19.8C is the lowest mean annual for the town from 1993...with the remainder days I am predicting it will drop down to 19.7C or even 19.6C in which case it will be the lowest mean annual in Palaiohora from 1981...

Told you so...the coldest year in South Crete for years..

[Ian Williams]

Mesogeiakos, on 14 February 2012 - 16:51, said:

Just for the record according to the data (as published by NOA) of both the old and new HNMS Palaiohora station 19.8C is the lowest mean annual for the town from 1993...with the remainder days I am predicting it will drop down to 19.7C or even 19.6C in which case it will be the lowest mean annual in Palaiohora from 1981...

Told you so...the coldest year in South Crete for years..

Yes a small drop of 0.02C in the last 5 days but still impressive given that they had a much cooler Spring and winter, although Summer was warmer than average i believe.




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[Mesogeiakos]

Thanks Ian,once your trial is over I will make a small presentation on the climate of Palaiohora.Have collected all the interesting data and loads of pics that show how well sheltered Palaiohora is and will make a short presentation.

This post has been edited by Mesogeiakos: 20 February 2012 - 02:38

[Ian Williams]

Mesogeiakos, on 20 February 2012 - 02:37, said:

Thanks Ian,once your trial is over I will make a small presentation on the climate of Palaiohora.Have collected all the interesting data and loads of pics that show how well sheltered Palaiohora is and will make a short presentation.

Look forward to it Pit. Ok 5 days left and Ierapetra has gone down 2 places in the annual table



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[Ian Williams]

3 days to go for this year long project to end. Palaiochora obviously going to be clear winners but what is surprising is the 3 Malaga sites all may well end up warmer than Ierapetra! That said I am using NOA`s site for Ierapetra which on average records 0.3C less than the now defunct HNMS station, so that would put Ierapetra on a mean of 19.6C and in second place

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Well the whole 12 months is now up and surprise surprise Palaiohora has won it hands down! However a small surprise is nation versus nation Spain has pipped Greece by the smallest of margins, allowing for any small errors its at least a draw - lol


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[Mesogeiakos]

Thank u Ian.Will do within the next week a presentation for our winner Palaiohora of South Crete

[Mesogeiakos]

Well...we sure have a winner!Who else than the stunning town of Palaiohora in South Crete!The extreme South of Crete is well known for probably the mildest climate in geographical Europe.This is to say that a unique combination of extremely hot summers and very mild winters make South Crete the warmest area of the continent annually.The element of the Cretan climate that all the rest south European areas lack is its scorching summer means.It is due to this characteristic that South Crete and particularly the area of Palaiohora beats all the rest and is simply the one and only winner for the accolade of the warmest place in geographical Europe.

The area of Palaiohora and generally South Crete experience extremely high summer mean temperatures...often exceeding 30C for a typical summer month beating areas such as Seville,Cordoba etc in the very interior of the IP for the whole summer period.

But what is unique in Palaiohora?Well for starters it is its location.The town is almost perfectly sheltered by the surrounding mountains as you can see below.This allows for foehn winds to elevate the temperatures dramatically during the summer.The fact that it is placed so South in the warm waters of Eastern Med gives Palaiohora extremely elevated minimums during the summer...At times these can reach up to around 27C mean minimums for a typical summer month.





Here is the mean annual temperature of Palaiohora for the 5 year period between 2007-2011.The data are taken from the station of the National Observatory of Athens in Palaiohora.




Note a stunning almost 20.7C mean annual temperature for this 5 year period!Amazing isnt it?This is comparable (if not greater) to Alexandria,Tel Aviv,etc...


Going back to the susceptibility of the Palaiohora bay to foehn winds we can not but mention one of the wildest examples of this characteristic.The June 2007 heatwave... that made Palaihora experience for more than 48 hours temperatures of over 35.8C constantly!!!

http://penteli.meteo...ora/2007-06.txt (data)
http://translate.goo...og-post_25.html (google translate)

As strange as it may seem...Palaiohora has actually experienced settled snow for a few hours in 2008.Before that settled snow was observed in Palaiohora in 1956!My research indicates that the absolute minimum temperature recorded in Palaiohora both from the NOA and HNMS stations (old and/or new) was +1.2C in the cold snap of 2008!



Anyways,just a really small presentation on Palaiohora!

This post has been edited by Mesogeiakos: 06 March 2012 - 17:32

[DG57]

Surely, Palaiohora - and the whole southern coast of Crete - is the hottest area of Europe, annually.

I'd say that what is nice with South Spain (I mean interior of South Spain), is that you can rest and relieve from the heat, at night. I think that Palaiohora combines the heat of a South Spain's day with the uncomfortable warmth of an island's night.

Thanks Pit for the documents and the pictures.

[Mesogeiakos]

MorganeLanesle, on 06 March 2012 - 17:24, said:

Surely, Palaiohora - and the whole southern coast of Crete - is the hottest area of Europe, annually.

I'd say that what is nice with South Spain (I mean interior of South Spain), is that you can rest and relieve from the heat, at night. I think that Palaiohora combines the heat of a South Spain's day with the uncomfortable warmth of an island's night.

Thanks Pit for the documents and the pictures.

Yes indeed Morgan.I would say that South Crete beats areas of South California that are actually located more to the South than Palaiohora.For example Palaiohora surely beats L.A in mean annuals...and probably even San Diego(not sure about this though)

[DG57]

Oh this is more than probable! L.A has not such a hot climate! Well, I speak of coastal L.A of course. Here, I have statistics that show LAX, with 24°C of mean max from June through October, even French stations can beat that!

Otherwise, more inland, it begins to be hotter, and L.A city itself has 29°C of mean max (roughly what European Mediterranean region has, too).

Annually, L.A city has a mean of 19.2°C. 17.4°C for the coastal one.

And, be prepared, Pit, San Diego is less warm than L.A according to my information. Perhaps due to some foggy-thing.

However, Palm Springs is not a station that can "challenge in the same classroom" as Palaiohora. But it's also not Mediterranean-climate any longer, there.

EDIT: as I had said once, it'll be interesting to compare Mediterranean stations world wide.

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[Ian Williams]

Excellent post Pit, thanks alot. I still have to make sure because its in my nature I am running a behind the scenes (lol) annual temperature for Palaiohora and Rincon De La Victoria of Malaga - its the one last niggle I have left hehe! I guess i could post on here some updates - periodically

[Ian Williams]

MorganeLanesle, on 06 March 2012 - 18:13, said:

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EDIT: as I had said once, it'll be interesting to compare Mediterranean stations world wide.

Hmmm, Maybe a project there for you Morgane!

[Mesogeiakos]

Ian Williams, on 06 March 2012 - 18:57, said:

Excellent post Pit, thanks alot. I still have to make sure because its in my nature I am running a behind the scenes (lol) annual temperature for Palaiohora and Rincon De La Victoria of Malaga - its the one last niggle I have left hehe! I guess i could post on here some updates - periodically

well yiah do this please!!How many months so far you got?

btw thanks Morgane for the info...well I was not expecting Palaiohora to beat Palm Springs...that would be too much even for Palaiohora:)

This post has been edited by Mesogeiakos: 06 March 2012 - 21:05

[Ian Williams]

Mesogeiakos, on 06 March 2012 - 21:03, said:

well yiah do this please!!How many months so far you got?

btw thanks Morgane for the info...well I was not expecting Palaiohora to beat Palm Springs...that would be too much even for Palaiohora:)

Hi Pit, started on January 1st using only NOA for Palaiohora instead of a mish mash of both

[stormy]

Our climate in Portugal is so boring...the warmest stations are Lisbon and Faro, with annual means of 17.43ºC in Lisbon and 17.91ºC in Faro, in 1981-2010.
Although we have the same thermal regime as the hotter places of Europe, with 6 tropical months ( T>18ºC), 9 months warmer than 15ºC as monthly average, and tha coldest month above 11ºC, we do not have warm summers.

Our summer averages ( Jully and August), are 18-20ºC for minimums ( in Faro, Lisbon Geofisico and Lisbon Airport), and 28-30ºC for maximums...

Further inland the days are hot but nights are cold ( Beja has 16.8/33.3 for the hottest month in 1981-2010)...

Big crappy climate he have