[Ian Williams]

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Ferreiro - 27/3/2011 14:17

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Mesogeiakos - 27/3/2011 05:38

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My bet is: April will be warmer on the coast of Malaga. Since May or June is when Crete can be hotter but only slightly. But again, starting in November will be warmer at Malaga`s coast. Winter is clearly warmer in the southwest of Europe than in the southeast. The explanation is simple: the southwest is much farther away from Russia. Regards!

This is absolutely wrong and only people who are not aware at all the climate of Greece might believe this.Off course SouthEast Europe is warmer than any area in the winter as it has been shown by the longterm mean time series.Russia has nothing to do with extreme southeast Greece in the winter.For example again Karpathos was the warmest area of the continent in January. I bet that in April Greece will not only be hotter but there will be a significant difference since it is when the Greek Isles start to get the suffocating minimums.

I guess you know the average temperatures of all weather stations in Europe. What was the average temperature in Port of Malaga, Fuengirola, Estepona, Alboran or Adra in January? Thanks.

This is one of the problems Ferreiro, I assume Malaga Port, Fuengirola and Estepona and a few others are new stations, because there is no past data for them. Not even on AEMET site. It will be interesting to see how all this pans out over the coming months. Pit is right when he says that Greece had a prolonged cold spell, and for me it is not whether Malaga area is warmer than say Karpathos or Crete in the winter its overall. One winter does not make a climate, the same as one year does not. 

As far as i know Karpathos and Palaiohora and Ierapetra, probably followed by Seville are the hottest places in Europe annually. Malaga area will struggle in the summer compared to the likes of Seville and Cordoba and Andujar and most of Athens. Its a bit like my Warmest place in the United kingdom, with the St Mary`s on the Isles of Scilly so far the warmest place since September 1st due to its sea influences over winter and early spring, but they will struggle now its warming up.

Ok do you have the January means for 

Port of Malaga, Fuengirola, Estepona, Alboran or Adra ?

[Mesogeiakos]

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Ferreiro - 27/3/2011 14:54

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Ian Williams - 27/3/2011 14:40

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Ferreiro - 27/3/2011 14:17

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Mesogeiakos - 27/3/2011 05:38

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My bet is: April will be warmer on the coast of Malaga. Since May or June is when Crete can be hotter but only slightly. But again, starting in November will be warmer at Malaga`s coast. Winter is clearly warmer in the southwest of Europe than in the southeast. The explanation is simple: the southwest is much farther away from Russia. Regards!

This is absolutely wrong and only people who are not aware at all the climate of Greece might believe this.Off course SouthEast Europe is warmer than any area in the winter as it has been shown by the longterm mean time series.Russia has nothing to do with extreme southeast Greece in the winter.For example again Karpathos was the warmest area of the continent in January. I bet that in April Greece will not only be hotter but there will be a significant difference since it is when the Greek Isles start to get the suffocating minimums.

I guess you know the average temperatures of all weather stations in Europe. What was the average temperature in Port of Malaga, Fuengirola, Estepona, Alboran or Adra in January? Thanks.

This is one of the problems Ferreiro, I assume Malaga Port, Fuengirola and Estepona and a few others are new stations, because there is no past data for them. Not even on AEMET site. It will be interesting to see how all this pans out over the coming months. Pit is right when he says that Greece had a prolonged cold spell, and for me it is not whether Malaga area is warmer than say Karpathos or Crete in the winter its overall. One winter does not make a climate, the same as one year does not. 

As far as i know Karpathos and Palaiohora and Ierapetra, probably followed by Seville are the hottest places in Europe annually. Malaga area will struggle in the summer compared to the likes of Seville and Cordoba and Andujar and most of Athens. Its a bit like my Warmest place in the United kingdom, with the St Mary`s on the Isles of Scilly so far the warmest place since September 1st due to its sea influences over winter and early spring, but they will struggle now its warming up.

Ok do you have the January means for 

Port of Malaga, Fuengirola, Estepona, Alboran or Adra ?

Cold waves are part of the climate of southern Greece. Almost every year there is one. This is due to its proximity to Balkans and Russia. For that reason it snows in Athens every two or three years. At least it has been so in this decade. Malaga has only snowed twice. In 1882 and 1954. 67 years since the last snowfall!!!
AEMET not publish monthly temperatures, so we do not have average temperatures of the Spanish stations in January. That is why I dare not say which was the warmest place in Europe in January. Not with so few data.

Sevilla will be warmer than Malaga Port in the summer? probably
Crete and Karpathos will be hotter than Malaga coast in summer? I am not a soothsayer. All I know is that with official data this February and March 2011 the coast of Malaga has been much warmer than the Greek islands. And Malaga is on the continent!!!!
I'll see you next month.
Regards!!!!

Cold waves are a part of the climate of SOUTHERN GREECE?

This is again absolutely wrong!The continentality of Greece through the Balkans only affects specific parts of Greece!SOUTH and SOUTH EAST Greece is almost never affected and if it is hardly a negative temperature is being registered.The absolute minimum temperatures of coastal Crete are higher than any part of Europe.For example Rethymnon in the North Coast of Crete has never seen air frost with an absolute minimum of 0.8C and Ierapetra has also never experienced air frost.

Balkans and Russia has ZERO relation with extreme south Greece.The mean temps of extreme south Greece are BY FAR the highest in Europe as we know from the HNMS data.For February you dont know anything since you only have 18 days of data and for March Greece has done extremely well given the COLD SNAP which was the coldest of the WINTER.

What is definite is that year long temps will see Greece be the warmest area of Europe and the port of Malaga can simply not compete from now on!April will see SE Greece being a definitive winner,its simple maths

[Ian Williams]

OK Lets have a look at the facts and figures for the warmest places in winter from HNMS and AEMET in what figures we do have. Athens is definitely colder in winter than coastal Andalucia. However the warmest places in Europe for winter with what figures we do have belongs to Ierapetra, now this is not to say that Malaga Port is colder because we do not have the figures for there, equally we do not have figures for what is considered maybe even warmer and thats Karpathos, and possibly Palaiohora.

We would have to do this study over a few years, what with Malaga Port, Fuengirola and Estepona being new automated stations, along with Greeces new ones for Palaiohora and Karpathos

Winter Mean temps official figures from their countries websites

Ierapetra............13.43C

Almeria...............13.13C

Malaga Airport......12.53C

Rhodes (Rodos)....12.47C

Huelva.................12.23C

Heraklion..............11.70C

Sevilla..................11.53C

Athens Hellinikon...10.97C

[Ian Williams]

Warm again across med-europe. Estepona is currently warmest today at 1700 local time with 24.7C. Athens enjoying temps around 21C and Andulucia in general around 21 or 22C. Crete approx around 18C, Palermo has been up to at least 21C whilst Luqa on Malta has seen 19C, and Karpathos at least 18.4C

Table below for March to the 27th

[Ian Williams]

Looking at current models it would seem southern Spain are set for a hot weekend, especially Friday and Saturday as High Pressure in the Med drags up hot air from Africa. 850mb temps around 18C for Andalusia, resulting in possible 30C for the likes of perhaps Seville and Andujar. This warm upper air could clip the SE of the UK but current GFS models suggest it will just miss us. The freezing level for example over Andalusia on Saturday 2nd is a whopping 3600m.

Portugal and France will also feel the effects too.

[Mesogeiakos]

Just a note for Greece,so far March has been colder than January and Feb for most areas of the country in mean temps due to the prolonged cold snap earlier this month

[Ian Williams]

Yes Malaga was warm yesterday as was Estepona who had an hourly max of 24.7C. I make the Port of Malaga hourly minimum as 15.9C. Oliva pipped Estepona as the warmest in Europe yesterday with 25.0C.

Not as warm in Andalucia today currently only Jerez and Malaga that have scraped past 20C.

Malaga Port hourly temps 21Z 27th to 09Z 28th March below

[Ian Williams]

Here are yesterdays Daily figures for the 28th March 2011.

[Ian Williams]

Here are the current temps at 1400 GMT

[Mesogeiakos]

Ian will u be doing a seperate thread come May for Attica vs Andalusia?

[Ian Williams]

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Mesogeiakos - 29/3/2011 23:07 Ian will u be doing a seperate thread come May for Attica vs Andalusia?

Oh Yes! Definitely, That will be my main thread, this one i have managed some time on just lately due to being on nights with some time on my hand, so dont worry about that. This thread i will post or update just once or maybe twice a week. I look forward to the battle of the GIANTS! But August last year will take some beating eh? 

[Ian Williams]

A clean sweep for Spain yesterday over Greece. Im sure Greece will soon fight back though!

[Ian Williams]

Getting warm across parts of Crete and southern Spain

[Ian Williams]

Very warm across southern Spain yesterday. However it wasnt a Spanish white wash like the day before, with Crete warming up nicely, albeit slowly

[Mesogeiakos]

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Ian Williams - 29/3/2011 23:16

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Mesogeiakos - 29/3/2011 23:07 Ian will u be doing a seperate thread come May for Attica vs Andalusia?

Oh Yes! Definitely, That will be my main thread, this one i have managed some time on just lately due to being on nights with some time on my hand, so dont worry about that. This thread i will post or update just once or maybe twice a week. I look forward to the battle of the GIANTS! But August last year will take some beating eh? 

It will be hard to see an August 2010 scenario bsc both Attica and Andalusia were close to their all time mean records DURING THE SAME PERIOD

[Ian Williams]

True Pit, but one of them may break a record, agreed it were very strange and probably rare for them both to be record breakers and in the same month and year.

Very warm across inland Andalucia atm,

Jerez 28.4C
Seville 28.4C
Moron 27.9C
Andujar 27.4C

[Ian Williams]

Both Seville and Moron De La Frontera got up to at least 29.2C and Andujar 29.1C on the hourly obs, possibly one of them may have our first 30C max of the year. Hottest place so far this year was Murcia Observatory with 29.2C, on the 26th February and this was a new site record for February.