[Mesogeiakos]

Big Dave, on 06 April 2012 - 11:38, said:

Again the report of sunshine yesterday for Faro ( 11.8 hrs ) looks dubious, the daytime synops at 3-hourly intervals have reports of 7/8 cloud cover and some rain with temperatures low enough to suggest a cloudy day:

http://www.ogimet.co...&day=06&hora=06

Comments anyone?

ditch it

We know Faro is among the sunniest places in Europe (if not the sunniest along with Southern Crete) but this does not make sense.

[Dave K]

If I replace Faro with Lisbon, could one of our Portuguese friends advise if Lisbon Geofisical Inst. or Lisbon Gago Coutinho is the better choice ( I see they are close together but one may be better!)?

This post has been edited by Big Dave's Gusset: 06 April 2012 - 12:46

[Dave K]

Faro reported 11.8 again despite afternoon cloud and showers, so I'm going to exclude it for the unreliable data. It looked today like Gela had failed to report sunshine but someone had manually coded it wrongly with an unecessary decimal point This is going to be good...

[Dave K]

Here is a table of the first week's data from the trial period, still up for discussions and suggestions

[Mesogeiakos]

Rhodes in 5th place??God thats so not what I was expecting even if its early days...

[Dave K]

Mesogeiakos, on 08 April 2012 - 13:41, said:

Rhodes in 5th place??God thats so not what I was expecting even if its early days...

At least the data from the trial doesn't count for the main contest though

What is more surprising is that Herstmonceux for the same period has 50.9 hours which would put it in the top half of the table!

[Ian Williams]

Big Dave, on 06 April 2012 - 11:38, said:

Again the report of sunshine yesterday for Faro ( 11.8 hrs ) looks dubious, the daytime synops at 3-hourly intervals have reports of 7/8 cloud cover and some rain with temperatures low enough to suggest a cloudy day:

http://www.ogimet.co...&day=06&hora=06

Comments anyone?

Definitely dodgy to say the least Dave, theres no way that can be right what with all the cloud cover reports throughout the day

[Ian Williams]

How about using Sagres instead of Faro its 50 mile from Faro but still on the south coast - just a thought

[Dave K]

Ian Williams, on 08 April 2012 - 14:59, said:

How about using Sagres instead of Faro its 50 mile from Faro but still on the south coast - just a thought

Well both Lisbon and Sagres were in the suggestions from 'Stormy', the problem is I can't find sunshine climate stats for Sagres...

I don't know how reliable this is but Lisbon outshines Sagres on these (though Lisbon should be around 2800 per year?)

http://www.climatete...gal/sagres.html

http://www.climatete...gal/lisbon.html

stormy, on 23 February 2012 - 18:54, said:

SE and S Portugal have around 3000h of sun a year...Faro, Sines, Sagres, Beja, Evora and even Lisbon have very high sunny days per year..
If i were you I´d choose Sines and Faro, or Beja and Sines

This post has been edited by Big Dave's Gusset: 08 April 2012 - 15:17

[Dave K]

More reliable data for Lisbon from the NOAA databanks for 1961 - 1990 - but it doesn't have Sagres

ftp://dossier.ogp.no...VI/PO/08535.TXT

Element 15:  Sunshine

MN_#HRS (Statistic 44):  Mean Number of Hours

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      byr:    1961

      eyr:    1990

  Month

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   Jan   	144.0

   Feb   	151.0

   Mar   	208.0

   Apr   	235.0

   May   	291.0

   Jun   	302.0

   Jul   	352.0

   Aug   	343.0

   Sep   	261.0

   Oct   	213.0

   Nov   	157.0

   Dec   	142.0

  Annual    2799.0

 Ann-NCDC   2799.0

[Dave K]

Updated league table with 10 days of data. Sagres has has 77.7 hrs in the same time so could swap it for Beja?

Will also consider swapping Sta Maria de Leuca out for Capo Palinuro, and maybe one of the Andalusian stations for Palma de Majorca, Menorca or Alicante, Greek stations seem OK.

[Dave K]

Here is a rough table to show the sunshine hours after two weeks of trial data. You'll see that I have added Sagres for Portugal now I'm thinking about raising the number per nation to 4, maybe even 5 and then trimming the numbers by 1 per nation after a set period.

Tot Hrs	Location	Nation	Max day
125.8	Almería	Spain	12.0
114.1	Gela	Italy	11.4
110.8	Heraklion	Greece	11.1
109.0	Sagres	Portugal	11.1
105.7	Marseille / Marignane	France	12.5
105.5	Mytilini	Greece	11.5
104.1	Rhodes	Greece	11.4
103.7	Toulon	France	12.7
103.4	Ustica	Italy	11.1
94.0	Seville	Spain	12.5
92.5	Sines	Portugal	11.8
89.9	Lisbon Geofisica	Portugal	11.9
86.8	Ajaccio	France	10.8
76.8	Santa Maria Di Leuca	Italy	11.7
73.9	Beja	Portugal	11.7
68.5	Granada	Spain	12.0

Here are some other locations for comparison that are in contention for the extra places or to replace another already chosen:

115.4 Naxos, Greece
101.2 Athens Airport, Greece
111.8 Palma de Majorca, Balleares, Spain
108.4 Malaga, Andalucia, Spain
96.0 Montpellier, Languedoc-Roussillon, France
92.6 Nice, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur, France
95.9 Capo Bellavista, Sardinia, Italy
84.0 Capo Pulinuro, Cilento, Italy

[BUTTERFLY]

To give Britain a chance of winning something this Olympic Year, could we not have a table for low sunshine? A hilly site in Western Scotland is likely to win outright, I think, or will the Scandinavians pip us at the post, with their dark winters?

Why not have a competition for Britain, or the British Isles, alone?

[Dave K]

BUTTERFLY, on 16 April 2012 - 06:36, said:

To give Britain a chance of winning something this Olympic Year, could we not have a table for low sunshine? A hilly site in Western Scotland is likely to win outright, I think, or will the Scandinavians pip us at the post, with their dark winters?

Why not have a competition for Britain, or the British Isles, alone?

I already touted the idea long ago but there didn't seem much interest http://www.ukweather...llenge-project/

Besides, all these things take up quite a bit of time.