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Rain / Snow - 4th March - Chat Thread

#21 User is offline   Ed. 

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 23:34

Aye, i suspect a bit of a nightmare to forecast and even as the precip pushes further east into any colder air aloft - elevation is going to be key.

Even following a prolonged cold/v.cold spell, snowfall always throws up lots of uncertainties.Take a peek at current overnight temps and well, it sure will need a massive sea change...for the deeper, crispier'n'evener stuff Posted Image
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#22 User is offline   stormbell 

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 08:19

Rainfall totals across Norfolk/Suffolk for Sunday/Monday as predicted by various models the last couple of days (only eye-balled these)....

Saturday:
00z GFS 20-32mm
00z CMS 21-28mm
00z NAE 20-31mm
00z HIRLAM 17-24mm
00z YRNO 18-30mm
00z ECM ENS (Norwich) 18mm max 32mm
12z GFS 12-23mm
12z NAE 20-65mm
12z CMC 18-38mm
12z HIRLAM 9-13mm
12z YRNO 12-30mm
Sunday:
00z NAE 26-67mm
00z GFS 15-25mm
00z CMC 23-41mm
00z YNNO 15-25mm
00z HIRLAM 10-17mm
00z ECM ENS (Norwich) 19mm max 40
00z Meteoblue (Norwich) 9mm

(some of those figures from 00z Saturday may actually be from the 6z runs yesterday, I can't remember what I wrote down, ha)...

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#23 Guest_Village_*

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 08:45

I dont think it is predictable.

The reason is that there is no cold source airmass at the surface to draw on. Therefore the cold air will come from advection in the rear of the precipitation belt. The precip will gradually aid this process by effectively dragging the freezing point down closer to sea level. The rate and duration of precipitation will determine if snow reaches the surface. Its likely that after the sun has set and with no other heat source like the sea then temps could get down to 1 or 2 degrees centigrade which is just enough for wet snow to reach the ground in moderate precipitation.

Lampost watchers, get ready!

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 08:53

It's snowing here atm.
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 09:08

We've got sleet here in Halesowen @ 09:05.

EDIT : 09:15 it's wet snow now.

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#26 User is offline   Martyn Wells 

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 09:39

Sleet and wet snow in Worcester
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#27 User is offline   Nigel Bolton 

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 09:46

One thing perhaps pointing out, is the risk of one of those rarities for the southeast, and something that has not hapened for a good long while, a northerly gale.

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#28 User is offline   Dave W 

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 10:04

Seems unlikely to develop that much to now to me Nigel?

However theres already been 20mm in areas around S Dorset, Somerset and Dartmoor..
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 10:15

Just to be clear for some newer members' thats 20mm of rain otherwise it would be 2CM if it were snow, right Dave?

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 10:52

15mm of precipitation here, snow level at 1,500'-1,800'.
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#31 User is offline   Dave W 

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 11:04

View PostDave W, on 04 March 2012 - 10:04, said:

Seems unlikely to develop that much to now to me Nigel?

However theres already been 20mm in areas around S Dorset, Somerset and Dartmoor..



Actually NAE 06Z does have a 40kt NNWly wind barb just off the south coast south of west Sussex at 15Z today..
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#32 User is offline   smartie 

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 11:39

Accumulated snow at 00Z 5 March from GFS 09-3km WRF init 12Z 3 March.
Physics is not 'tuned' for snow.

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#33 User is offline   Chris Alder 

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 11:57

17.6mm already today, that's now double the wettest day so far this year.
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#34 User is offline   Mark D 

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:12

Mixture of heavy rain and snow here!
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#35 User is offline   Rob B 

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:17

View PostVillage, on 04 March 2012 - 10:15, said:

Just to be clear for some newer members' thats 20mm of rain otherwise it would be 2CM if it were snow, right Dave?


Dave must have missed your post Vill.

20mm of rain would normally give you around 20cm of snow but this can vary quite widely depending on temperature.

NOAA have published this conversion table.
http://www.ncdc.noaa...newsnowfall.pdf

If you really want to go into detail have a look at this
http://sanders.math....tio/roebber.pdf
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#36 User is offline   Nigel Bolton 

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:17

View PostDave W, on 04 March 2012 - 11:04, said:

Actually NAE 06Z does have a 40kt NNWly wind barb just off the south coast south of west Sussex at 15Z today..


Indeed. Although the low may not develop much further, it may stall close to southeast England, whilst pressure rises to its west, tightening the gradient. A mixture of sleet or wet snow, accompanied by a damp gale will feel very unpleasant indeed.

As an asside, although the winds seem to be easing here, some of the gusts have been strong enough to bring down small dead wood.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:34

Just moderate rain here - 8mm so far. Temp a chilly 3C. No sign of snow yet.

We need some rain badly, so a really wet day isn't a bad thing. Shame it had to be at the weekend.

Edit: Sleet just starting now.
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:37

As expected, just rain here, and not particularly heavy either.
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:39

Mainly rain here, though there was some embedded sleety stuff at one point.
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:43

The biggest snowflakes I've ever seen just now in Southampton! Easily 2-3 inches, possibly more, splatting on the windows and floating across the sky like feathers - very wierd, and mixed in with heavy rain.
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