[Ian Williams]

Mesogeiakos, on 08 April 2012 - 13:35, said:

Really??really??? Thank you Ian!You are the best!But we need the data from Athalassa if we are to see what Cyprus really means .Does ''Nicosia'' stand for Athalassa I dont get how Ogimet uses the Nicosia data

By the look of it Athalassa (LCNC) is a metar station so can not get the maximum temperature for there

http://www.ogimet.co...ra=12&ind=17607
http://weather.glads...0;days=364#Data

The one from Ogimet according to the gladstone site is 5.9 miles from Athalassa

http://weather.glads....net/site/17521

So unless i can gain access to its maximums i will have to use the Nicosia Tymbu one from Ogimet

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[Mesogeiakos]

Ian Williams, on 08 April 2012 - 14:39, said:

By the look of it Athalassa (LCNC) is a metar station so can not get the maximum temperature for there

http://www.ogimet.co...ra=12&ind=17607
http://weather.glads...0;days=364#Data

The one from Ogimet according to the gladstone site is 5.9 miles from Athalassa

http://weather.glads....net/site/17521

So unless i can gain access to its maximums i will have to use the Nicosia Tymbu one from Ogimet

I can tell you for sure that Athalassa in the Greek part is way stronger than Tymbu or Lefkonico in the Turkish invaded part.It has some rather impressive means I tell you.

Unfortunately the Cyprus MetOffice does not provide decimals but rounded values per day.Or at least I could not find any decimals in their site.

''Nicosia'' refers to the Athalassa station data.

http://213.207.155.1...ather_stats.php

[Ian Williams]

Mesogeiakos, on 08 April 2012 - 15:09, said:

I can tell you for sure that Athalassa in the Greek part is way stronger than Tymbu or Lefkonico in the Turkish invaded part.It has some rather impressive means I tell you.

Unfortunately the Cyprus MetOffice does not provide decimals but rounded values per day.Or at least I could not find any decimals in their site.

''Nicosia'' refers to the Athalassa station data.

http://213.207.155.1...ather_stats.php

Yes unfortunately will not be able to use it, meteogroup does show 3 hourly readings including decimal point from the metar codes but only at 09/12 and 15 utc

http://www.wetter24....bsid/17607.html

[Mesogeiakos]

Ian Williams, on 08 April 2012 - 15:25, said:

Yes unfortunately will not be able to use it, meteogroup does show 3 hourly readings including decimal point from the metar codes but only at 09/12 and 15 utc

http://www.wetter24....bsid/17607.html

No worries,have just emailed them.They always respond quickly,so If I get any worthwhile news for Athalassa will post here.

[Ian Williams]

Mesogeiakos, on 08 April 2012 - 15:39, said:

No worries,have just emailed them.They always respond quickly,so If I get any worthwhile news for Athalassa will post here.

Found it!!!!!!!! The max temps for Athalassa, they are aboutr a day behind though


http://www.moa.gov.c...pdf?Openelement

[Ian Williams]

Ian Williams, on 08 April 2012 - 16:19, said:

Found it!!!!!!!! The max temps for Athalassa, they are aboutr a day behind though


http://www.moa.gov.c...pdf?Openelement

And for August last year it gives a mean max of 37.8C around the same as Tymbou and slightly less than Lefkonico, but we are talking small decimal points here.

http://www.moa.gov.c...pdf?Openelement

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[Mesogeiakos]

Ian Williams, on 08 April 2012 - 16:19, said:

Found it!!!!!!!! The max temps for Athalassa, they are aboutr a day behind though


http://www.moa.gov.c...pdf?Openelement

oh god!!!and you even did in through the Greek language search....I feel awful now bsc I emailed them while having a tantrum I was not the most polite person on earth.lol

Well done Ian!

[Ian Williams]

Mesogeiakos, on 08 April 2012 - 16:30, said:

oh god!!!and you even did in through the Greek language search....I feel awful now bsc I emailed them while having a tantrum I was not the most polite person on earth.lol

Well done Ian!

LOL - I could imagine you giving them grief hehe!

[Ian Williams]

OK. Here is the raw data I have up to and including the 7th, been on a 12hr shift and now enjoying a few glasses of wine, so my heads not into compiling at the moment lo, however i will update tomorrow before i start night shifts tomorrow

included is Nicosia/Tymbou, Nicosia Athalassa and Lefkonico from Cyprus, : Please bear in mind although they are included, geographically they are not in Europe, therefore they can not win this when it all gets started, they are only there for comparable reasons- the same as Jersey and Guernsey in the Uk thread

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[Ian Williams]

Well here is the latest, and i have all the up to date figures for Athalassa, maybe they got you e-mail Pit !! LOL- Someone has turned off the heating across Italy and France!




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[Mesogeiakos]

Well they havent answered yet but thats good that they updated the data!!

May also suggest that you put the Cypriot stations each time at the end of the accumulative table regardless of their means (as go compare stations,btw love the terminology ) so that it is more gentle in the eye and clearer they are not competing?

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[Ian Williams]

Mesogeiakos, on 09 April 2012 - 17:32, said:

Well they havent answered yet but thats good that they updated the data!!

May also suggest that you put the Cypriot stations each time at the end of the accumulative table regardless of their means (as go compare stations,btw love the terminology ) so that it is more gentle in the eye and clearer they are not competing?

Funnily enough I was thinking along similar lines this morning, but was thinking of still putting them in temperature order but not assigning them a position number, so the above table would still see the 3 cypriot staions at the top but No 1 would be assigned to Pyrgela or whoever is top other than the Cypriot stations, if that makes sense. The same to apply for the accumulated mean tables, i.e Sivas would say No 1

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[stormy]

I think that this ranking should also take minimum temperatures into account....for example, yesterday Alvega had 27.8ºC max, but the min was 2.8ºC....a typical warm spot has not only warm days but also warm or mild nights...

I think that in the case of Pt, Alvega and Viana do Alentejo are not so warm..even in Summer its hard for them to have mean minimums above 16-17ºC...

On the other hand, the other 5 stations can have pretty mild nights with mean minimums above 18ºC...notice that last year even being a cool summer, the Pt stations had mean minimums above 15ºC...

[Chris Alder]

I would expect there to be some pretty low maxima across large parts of Europe in the coming couple of weeks. The mid Atlantic high will lead to plenty of troughing and LP in the central Med IMO. south eastern Greece, Turkey and Cyprus should do ok though.

[Mesogeiakos]

stormy, on 10 April 2012 - 10:58, said:

I think that this ranking should also take minimum temperatures into account....for example, yesterday Alvega had 27.8ºC max, but the min was 2.8ºC....a typical warm spot has not only warm days but also warm or mild nights...

I think that in the case of Pt, Alvega and Viana do Alentejo are not so warm..even in Summer its hard for them to have mean minimums above 16-17ºC...

On the other hand, the other 5 stations can have pretty mild nights with mean minimums above 18ºC...notice that last year even being a cool summer, the Pt stations had mean minimums above 15ºC...

yes but what is the point really?Unless Ian wants to run an extra thread on which European area has the highest mean minimums during the summer or again a mean challenge.It will be a repetitive thread as in a European level Greece would probably again occupy top spots in minimums or means during the summer.I suggest we stick to the mean max challenge for a change, this way we would probably see Iberia occupying top spots.

What we could do is ad hoc mentions of some impressive minimums per country.

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[Ian Williams]

Mesogeiakos, on 10 April 2012 - 13:42, said:

yes but what is the point really?Unless Ian wants to run an extra thread on which European area has the highest mean minimums during the summer or again a mean challenge.It will be a repetitive thread as in a European level Greece would probably again occupy top spots in minimums or means during the summer.I suggest we stick to the mean max challenge for a change, this way we would probably see Iberia occupying top spots.

What we could do is ad hoc mentions of some impressive minimums per country.

Totally agree, if we used the minimums as well, Portugal which stands a good chance with just using the maximums being near the top of the table would end up in the lower half of the table. Cold across Greece and Italy and the Balkans yesterday. We have our first 30C on the Europe side of things for this group.



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[Mesogeiakos]

Ian Williams, on 10 April 2012 - 16:06, said:

We have our first 30C on the Europe side of things

Now we only need a 30C in a WMO station after Crete and Megnibar with 30C to make it official.Let's see how it goes.Will it be the West or East?Iberia or Italy,Greece? Or maybe even France?

It's been forever this year..

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[stormy]

Cold weather is expected for the next few days in Portugal....values well below avg are anticipated specialy during weekend.

April seasonal forecast points towars a rainier and cooler April than usual...which is good after the 2nd driest winter since 1931...

On the onther hand, summer is expected to be warm and humid, with more tstm activity than usual, because of a abnormal pattern in wich the subtropical ridge splits in two creating a trough near the Azores...


Climate has been quite weird during the last years in here...strange weather patterns are even starting to affect our agriculture ...this last winter´s citrus production was badly affected by the drought and the cold...and tropical species like avocados or mangoes had also a lot of trouble, first with the cold and now with the rainy weather affecting floration...

[Ian Williams]

stormy, on 10 April 2012 - 23:07, said:

Climate has been quite weird during the last years in here...strange weather patterns are even starting to affect our agriculture ...this last winter´s citrus production was badly affected by the drought and the cold...and tropical species like avocados or mangoes had also a lot of trouble, first with the cold and now with the rainy weather affecting floration...

Yes i read about the citrus problems on a Lisbon drought artcile, thanks for the insight

Spain take all 6 top places yesterday even though temperatures dropped considerably along Andalucia, however the heat shifted slightly north and East to the Murcia region of Spain, hence Lorca done OK, and was the only place to record its own highest temperature so far this month. Greece is cold!!!! Brrrrrr



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[DG57]

Here's more of France's Internal Battle:

It seems that I was right all the same, by picking Conqueyrac and Les Arcs-sur-Argens. They're both leading their respective departments.