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Could summer 2012 be the worst in living memory?

#181 User is offline   Dave W 

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:25

View PostEd., on 19 July 2012 - 19:34, said:

Pretty drab today, heavy sporadic rain/drizzle and it felt rather chilly aswell - temps have dipped compared to yesterday.Tomorrow is allegedly the turning point, away from all the guff..for how long?

That'll be telling Posted Image


About 36 hours :)
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:34

View PostDave W, on 21 July 2012 - 10:25, said:

About 36 hours :)



Cheers Dave, many thanks, much appreciated, ta, altogether now ARGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! see separate (just added btw) thread oops [y]



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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:57

Lovely view from above ~30 mins ago:


http://saturn.unibe....c-corrected.jpg
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#184 User is offline   Chris Alder 

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 15:59

The 3/4 days of decent weather coming up will not take away from the awfulness of this summer. I'm convinced a poor two weeks of weather during the Olympics will confirm this summers weather as the worse in living memory irrespective of what the stats say.
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:13

"Barely a trace of rain for months?"

This sound more like the Daily Express than the BBC! Skye Lusa has had 33.0 mm of rain so far in July up to 0600 on 22nd, 53.0 mm in April and 125.6 mm in March; no figures are available for May and June 2012 but even though the latter at least was I think on the low side, it was certainly more than barely a trace. Skye is normally a very wet place, and a third to a half of normal rainfall over several months, which would be a rare occurrence, would probably still be around normal for the drier parts of England. See http://www.met.readi...rugge/CURR.html, http://www.met.readi...ge/Apr2012.html and http://www.met.readi...ge/Mar2012.html
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#186 User is offline   BUTTERFLY 

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 13:16

The quote about barely a trace rain for months comes from the earlier part of the clip at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18931996
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 08:13

Worst first half of summer ever

Why it's the fault of the jetstream by Philip Eden
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#188 User is offline   Chris Alder 

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 08:40

Well it looks like dreadful first half of summer and another extended period dominated by low pressure and cool temperatures is going to be sandwiched by a 4-5 day blip of decent weather this week.

I reckon the fat lady is just taking a few days out this week in preperation for warming up her vocal codes to call time on summer 2012 from next week onwards.
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#189 User is offline   Duncan Railton 

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:40

Even 5 days of >8.0 ratings won't pull summer out of its hole, although it will see July 2012 rated better than July 2007!
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 13:03

On a positive note, at least a hot dry week will save Olympic venues turn into a mud bath, unless we get tonnes of rain next week. Only 2-3 weeks of this weather will save the south from the worse summer for a generation.
The English countryside has never looked more green and beautiful than now. Our landscape may not be dramatic, but on a perfect day few places on the planet are better IMO. Just a pity there weren't more of them..
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 17:53

For those old enough I'd like to put up 1980 as a co-candidate. Take a look at the 1980 entries for the summer months:


http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~taharley/british_weather_in_june.htm

http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~taharley/british_weather_in_july.htm

http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~taharley/british_weather_in_august.htm



The stats I have for Gatwick Airport give an average daily max for the summer of 19.6 °C and 249 mm rainfall on 63 raindays. The only thing I don't have is sunshine stats except for the EWP series which was the second dullest since it started in 1929 with 140.7 + 129.7 +125.5 hours for JJA. If it looks like a stinker and smells like a stinker...
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 18:54

View PostBig Dave, on 23 July 2012 - 08:13, said:

Worst first half of summer ever

Why it's the fault of the jetstream by Philip Eden


I don't agree with Philip Eden on this, I think 1879 was worse.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 19:08

Some data for three private stations on Skye here
http://www.skyeweather.com/da/28260 - Carbost, Staffin and Elgol

Lusa is at the SE end of the island, 3mls E of Broadford -cycled past it in July 2011


View PostBUTTERFLY, on 22 July 2012 - 13:13, said:

"Barely a trace of rain for months?"

This sound more like the Daily Express than the BBC! Skye Lusa has had 33.0 mm of rain so far in July up to 0600 on 22nd, 53.0 mm in April and 125.6 mm in March; no figures are available for May and June 2012 but even though the latter at least was I think on the low side, it was certainly more than barely a trace. Skye is normally a very wet place, and a third to a half of normal rainfall over several months, which would be a rare occurrence, would probably still be around normal for the drier parts of England. See http://www.met.readi...rugge/CURR.html, http://www.met.readi...ge/Apr2012.html and http://www.met.readi...ge/Mar2012.html

This post has been edited by jonathanwebb: 23 July 2012 - 19:11

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 19:29

View Postsummer, on 23 July 2012 - 18:54, said:

I don't agree with Philip Eden on this, I think 1879 was worse.


Ah yes, but bear in mind the thread's title is "Could summer 2012 be the worst in living memory" :P

Pete




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Posted 24 July 2012 - 06:35

"Some data for three private stations on Skye here
http://www.skyeweather.com/da/28260 - Carbost, Staffin and Elgol"

Thanks for the links, but like many, though not all, small private weather stations, some of the data is nonsense. For one of the sites, Elgol, I cannot find any data for past months; for the other two, Cabost and Staffin, teh rainfall figures for at least some of the earlier months are a nonsense, e.g.

CABOST

January 8.8 mm, February 218.6 mm, March 2.8 mm, April 0.8 mm, May 0.0 mm, June 14.0 mm; July 43.2 mm so far, giving a total for the year so far of 288.2 mm, although it gives the yearly total so far as 746.0 mm, with 1203.2 mm for the whole of 2011, both of which sound plausible.

STAFFIN

January 0.0 mm; February 0.0 mm; no figures for March as it does not appear in the drop-down list for months; April 0.8 mm; May 0.0 mm; June 25.8 mm; July so far 27.4 mm; rainfall for 2011 921.0 mm.

There are other impossibilities like the highest minimum being higher than the highest maximum, etc.

I also know from the home page of www.irelandsweather.com that quite often one or two sites show clearly erroneous temperatures, e.g. 0 deg. C. in recent days when nearly all are in the range of 12-15 deg. C. or similar, but since Ashford (Cronykeery) in Co. Wicklow in the Republic of Ireland (see www.wicklowweather.com) generally gives accurate figures and is also a Met Eireann approved station, it is not inevitable that these private stations give substantial errors. Readings however should be treated with a degree of caution in many cases.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 06:39

View PostPete Roberts, on 23 July 2012 - 19:29, said:

Ah yes, but bear in mind the thread's title is "Could summer 2012 be the worst in living memory" :P

Pete





The title thread says that but Philip Eden's article says worst ever. ;)
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 07:19

I have found the 2012 monthly figures for Elgol on the Isle of Skye above at http://www.skyeweather.com/da/28260:

JANUARY 191.0 mm; February 141.8 mm; March 67.2 mm; April 60.4 mm; May 2012 86.0 mm; June 2012 66.4 mm; July 2012 16.2 mm; year so far 629.0 mm; note that the only really low figure was for July, so far. These figures were calculated from adding up the daily figures for rainfall and it is possible I have made a mistake or two, but they certainly look plausible, especially in comparison with the figures for the other two Skye sites. Perhaps it was after looking at these that the BBC commentator made his quote about barely a trace of rain for months!
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:22

http://www.personal....ottest_days.htm shows the values, dates and locations of the places recording the highest temperature in Britain each year from 1900 onwards to 2012 so far. In 65 years from 1900 to 2011, the temperature has reached or exceeded 32.2 deg. C. (c. 90 deg. F.), equalling 32.2 deg. C. in 12 of these years and exceeding 32.2 deg. C. in 53. The relative frequency of 32.2 deg. C. can be explained by the fact that until I think sometime in the 1960s, extremes, although usually read to the nearest 0.1 deg. Fahrenheit, were usually given given to the nearest whole degree Fahrenheit, so this could represent anything from 89.5 deg. F. (c. 32.0 deg. C.) to 90.4 deg. F. (c. 32.4 deg. C.). 32.1 deg. C. was also recorded in 1973 and 1991 and 32.0 deg. C. in 1986, these presumably being read to the nearest 0.1 deg. C.

By grouping these into occurrence by whole decades, we find that the number of such years in a decade varies from 2 in the 1980s (1983 and 1989) and 3 in the 1970s (1970, 1975 and 1976, though 1973 was only just behind with 32.1 deg. C.) to 9 in the 1940s (all years from 1940-1949, except 1946). There were also 8 years in the 1920s (all years except 1920 and 1927), and 7 years in the 1910s (all years except 1910, 1913 and 1916), 1930s (all years except 1931, 1936 and 1938) and the 1990s (all years except 1991 which was just behind at 32.1 deg. C., 1992 and 1993). The overall average is about 6.5 per decade, approximately 2 years out of 3. The longest consecutive run of years to record 90 deg. F. or over was 10 from 1994 to 2003 (there were 12 out of 13 from 1994 to 2006), followed by 7 in a row from 1939 to 1945 and 6 in a row from 1921 to 1925, all inclusive. and the longest period not to reach this temperature was 5 successive years from 1984 to 1988, although 1986 was only just below the threshold at 32.0 deg. C. Only on one occasion did two years in succession both fail to reach 85 deg. C. or c. 29.4 deg. C., these being 1962 and 1963 (27.8 deg. C. and 28.9 deg. C. respectively) although 1980 and 1981 (29.4 deg. C. and 29.5 deg. C. respectively) came very close indeed to this.

Maximum temperatures in each year varied from 27.8 deg. C. in 1920 (at Raunds, Northants, on 17th June) and in 1962 (Writtle, Essex, on 3rd September) to 38.5 deg. C. in 2003 (Brogdale near Faversham, Kent, on 10th August; this is on the Met Office website as the highest official temperature in Britain, but some authorities discount this due to excessive shelter but accept 38.1 deg. C. at Kew, London, on the same date).

One could do further analysis such as the average temperature and the highest and lowest for each decade and compare these with the overall average, but it seems clear that overall the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s have been poorer for very high temperatures in Britain than other decades. Interestingly though, the longest consecutive spell of years in Northern Ireland with temperatures of 80 deg. F. (c. 26.7 deg. C.) or higher, which could more or else be regarded as the equivalent of 90 deg F. in Britain (actually probably an equivalent of slightly more such as 92 deg. F. or so), was during this period, 6 years from 1968 to 1973, and 9 years out of 10 from 1968 to 1977, with only 1974, whose maximum was I think 26.0 deg. C. around 21st June, failing to reach this figure. However apart from 1976 when 30.8 deg. C. was reached on 30th June and 1975 when 29.7 deg. C. was recorded on 3rd August, no very close approach was made to the official record Northern Ireland temperature of 30.8 deg. C. (recorded in June 1976 as above and also on 12th July 1983) during this time; I think the highest during the period otherwise is 28.0 deg. C. in mid-August 1973 with other years generally about 27 deg. C. or so. 1976 and I think also 1995 are I believe the only summers to record 80 deg. F. or higher in all 3 summer months in Northern Ireland and indeed it is fairly uncommon for this to happen in 2, although I think this also happened in 1989, perhaps 2006 and probably at least 1 or 2 others in the past.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:04

View PostBUTTERFLY, on 24 July 2012 - 09:22, said:

.Only on one occasion did two years in succession both fail to reach 85 deg. C. or c. 29.4 deg. C., these being 1962 and 1963 (27.8 deg. C. and 28.9 deg. C. respectively)


Yes, both summers were very poor but my subjective impression was that 1962 was the worse. Of course the 20th Century's worst winter was the meat in the sandwich. Autumn '62 was mild, more so '63. It would be interesting if Autumn '12 followed that pattern.

I used to keep weather records at school - wish I'd kept them.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:57

Regarding 1879, sunshine records only commenced in 1881 so it's harder to compare summers before then (though 1879 was undoubtedly pretty dire)
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