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Convective Chat - 27/ 28th June 2012

#21 User is offline   Ed. 

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 21:20

Certainly a muggier feel tonight, hardly a breath of wind..almost feels like a storm is imminent any min now! ok, shall hold my horses until mid-week at least ;-)
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:35

View Poststaffsstormspotter, on 25 June 2012 - 12:18, said:

Thursday is looking interesting in particular. Although its still a bit far out initial estimates are showing 2k j/kg CAPE and -7,-8 LI from the SE to the NW with the main area of interest around the south midlands.

I'm starting to make plans for my first 2012 UK storm chase for Thursday. Let's hope everything keeps together.

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On the 00z run (o6z won't load for me yet) there didn't seem to be very high values. France is definitely in the firing line with huge amounts of Cape available and lifted index of -8 or -9. The UK however has Cape of around 800 to 1000 j/kg with lifted indexes of maybe -3 or -4.

Having said that, we had thunderstorms the other day with relatively low Cape values. Maybe a trough will develop as Paul suggested.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:12

View PostHarry Dock Mills, on 26 June 2012 - 09:35, said:

On the 00z run (o6z won't load for me yet) there didn't seem to be very high values. France is definitely in the firing line with huge amounts of Cape available and lifted index of -8 or -9. The UK however has Cape of around 800 to 1000 j/kg with lifted indexes of maybe -3 or -4.

Having said that, we had thunderstorms the other day with relatively low Cape values. Maybe a trough will develop as Paul suggested.


The 06z run is working now and its still showing an area of increased CAPE London-Norwich-Nottingham-South Birmingham; around 1300j/kg and -4 LI. Dewpoints in the same area of around 20C with max temps at 24C so moist enough. Corresponding area of PVA and glaciation at ~600hPa could lead to some high topped cells. Moderate shear exists as well so wouldnt be surprised to see thunderstorms and some hail.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:49

The sky to my west is very threatening, looking at the rain radar a large area of showers is developing as they cross N. Wales and approach the Cheshire Plain.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:20

To me, it looks increasingly like it will be South Midlands to Northern England, plus coastal regions of the South East, that will get at least moderate thunderstorms on Thursday early evening until midnight. Although even in South Eastern coastal regions, I think it may be more "viewing" them out to sea, rather than overhead storms. Just my opinion, looking at things.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:54

Is there any chance for storm for me this week at all? I do t think there is but it would be good if I had a chance.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 12:11

View PostLightningfox92, on 26 June 2012 - 11:54, said:

Is there any chance for storm for me this week at all? I do t think there is but it would be good if I had a chance.


You have a reasonable chance, between late morning and late afternoon on Thursday.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 12:39

Oh I am liking 1400 j/kg and LI of -5 here tomorrow evening :)
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 12:58

View PostMike Adams, on 26 June 2012 - 12:11, said:

You have a reasonable chance, between late morning and late afternoon on Thursday.



Thanks mate ;) I will keep that in mind, cheers
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 13:04

View PostChaserUK, on 26 June 2012 - 12:39, said:

Oh I am liking 1400 j/kg and LI of -5 here tomorrow evening :)


Yes indeedy, the thought did cross my mind..CI are in a pretty favourable position atm,- do believe you caught a decent show not many moons ago down there? as per usual some parts of mainland Europe are at risk of being clobbered!

Anyway, good-luck to all TS lovers everywhere, we sure need a break from the present onslaught, even if the rain decides to continue apres storms, a few rumbles won't hurt.. Posted Image



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#31 User is offline   Vince Coombes 

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 13:23

im sure the weatherman said drizzly rain here today , i would say he was very wrong !!! its teeming down here ,quite convective rain if you ask me

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 13:56

View Poststaffsstormspotter, on 26 June 2012 - 10:12, said:

The 06z run is working now and its still showing an area of increased CAPE London-Norwich-Nottingham-South Birmingham; around 1300j/kg and -4 LI. Dewpoints in the same area of around 20C with max temps at 24C so moist enough. Corresponding area of PVA and glaciation at ~600hPa could lead to some high topped cells. Moderate shear exists as well so wouldnt be surprised to see thunderstorms and some hail.

Chris


Yes, spotted that. Of concern must be the GFS forecast of DPs...20c may not come to fruition, as GFS typical over forecasts by 1-2c...which in turn will remove a lot of the sauce from the CAPE available. i guess the devil now is all in future model details as to where, and when.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 15:41

Any chance of Bristol getting on thunderstorm tomorrow and Thursday?
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 19:34

I see the CAPE/Li is pretty high over the channel Thursday morning 0300 onwards and just nudges south of Devon before bypassing the SW completely up to the midlands and around Salisbury Plain to the north east.

Devon has big fat "NO" written all over it!
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 22:48

View PostRichC, on 26 June 2012 - 19:34, said:

I see the CAPE/Li is pretty high over the channel Thursday morning 0300 onwards and just nudges south of Devon before bypassing the SW completely up to the midlands and around Salisbury Plain to the north east.

Devon has big fat "NO" written all over it!


As usual!!!
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 23:19

ESTOFEX issues a level 1 for high RF, hail and wind for much of the western UK tomorrow with the high probability of large MCS moving its up. I can see this mainly being east of the Blackdowns, perhaps Dorset/Somerset/Hampshire and moving up then into the midlands.
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 00:42

GFS and Hirlam are both keen on some heavy convection over SW England tomorrow night, ECM and UKMO are not having it, and NAE is toying with it. In Plymouth the last couple of days its been foggy and mizzly. so i am hoping tomorrow we can burn that off to allow some decent surface heating, which will aid any potential tomorrow night, but my thoughts are it is likely to (If it happens) to be east of Dartmoor, so pretty much in line with your thinking Rich. At least theres now a chance for SW England too, (for now anyway)
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 06:12

Interesting as ecmwf and ukmo initialise hirlam and nae, respectively.
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 08:53

Personally I expect to see little else than some rain here tomorrow, be very surprised if there is anything sparky!
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 09:05

Totally overcast here so this needs to disappear if any surface convection is to kick off today, atleast anyway.
If it's reasonable distance wise i might drive out for a bit tonight but not to far.
I'm totally jealous of the parameters for the midlands tomorrow... it's something only us down here can wish for.
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