DG57 635 Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 ...am wondering a thing: often, heatwaves that begin in western / southwestern Europe end up in eastern / southeastern Europe and even strengthen! What do the coming days show, please? Is the heatwave heading toward the Balkans / Greece, in the coming days / weeks? Will then it be even stronger? Will the European record fall too? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
southathens 166 Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 I think for now at least for Greece the predictions are moderate. We will be nowhere near 48C . At least with today's forecasts for Athens and Greece in general. Link to post Share on other sites
DG57 635 Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 This evening's ECMWF op run is forecasting temps of 44 C on Friday in the Camargue region. => ...Most likely a tad to the north of the Camargue, I'd say... :) Maybe around Avignon, Orange, Carpentras... The Camargue, a swampy area with mosquitos, very close to the sea, would I think be less hot, but way more humid. Horrible. Niall, sorry for my answer of the other day: it seemed so incredible, that I couldn't believe you. Besides, is this only believable? :o Montpellier's value is too astonishing to say the least. :unsure: Link to post Share on other sites
southathens 166 Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 The high of 45.8C of Gallargues-le-Montueux in the #Gard, officially new national heat record. Media is running with this temperature., Not sure if its verified with Meteo France. Actually, Gallargues-le-Montueux maxed out at 45.9C according to some French sites. Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Williams 1432 Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 Actually, Gallargues-le-Montueux maxed out at 45.9C according to some French sites. The BBC has changed it to 45.9C, another secondary station, not WMO but our record at Brogdale in Kent is not a WMO one, but has WMO standards, so perhaps the one at Gallargues is too. France has hit its highest recorded temperature - 45.9C (114.6F) - amid a heatwave in Europe that has claimed several lives. The new record was measured in the southern town of Gallargues-le-Montueux. Before this year the previous record was 44.1C during a heatwave in 2003 that killed thousands. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48795264 Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Williams 1432 Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 I really hope its not this one, sat on a roof! https://www.infoclimat.fr/observations-meteo/temps-reel/gallargues-le-montueux/000OZ.html Link to post Share on other sites
DG57 635 Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 Ian, that one is from the StatIC (Infoclimat) network. It's a kind of UKww forum, that also owns stations. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
DG57 635 Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) Here's the Météo-France one, in Gallargues: https://donneespubliques.meteofrance.fr/metadonnees_publiques/fiches/fiche_30123001.pdf Edited June 28, 2019 by DG57 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Ian Williams 1432 Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 Phew! :D Link to post Share on other sites
pekster11 40 Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 DG57...congrats 45.9© is an absolutely astonishing temperature for France, and could well be the highest temp recorded this year in Europe Not often that France has the highest temp of the year in Europe !! Only a degree and a bit behind the highest temps ever reliably recorded in Iberia !! Link to post Share on other sites
StratoQ 393 Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 Niall, sorry for my answer of the other day: it seemed so incredible, that I couldn't believe you. Besides, is this only believable? :o Montpellier's value is too astonishing to say the least. :unsure: No problem. I thought it was unbelieveable too when i first saw it! I did cross check it with other models and many supported it. Kudos though to the ECMWF model. I was in northern France at the time of the last great heatwave in 2003 but this one is awesome. Link to post Share on other sites
Dan G 180 Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 ...am wondering a thing: often, heatwaves that begin in western / southwestern Europe end up in eastern / southeastern Europe and even strengthen! What do the coming days show, please? Is the heatwave heading toward the Balkans / Greece, in the coming days / weeks? Will then it be even stronger? Will the European record fall too? Indeed France becomes the seventh European country with an absolute maximum temperature record above 45C (others are Bulgaria, Portugal, Italy, Spain, Greece, and North Macedonia). The new record is official: 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Dan G 180 Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) https://publitheque.meteo.fr/okapi/accueil/okapiWebPubli/index.jsp There is a Météo-France station from the secondary network in Gallargues-le-Montueux, but I don't know so far if this is the one being involved. Indeed, there might be amateur stations in the town, too... Must investigate. TYPE 0 means highest standards (WMO), TYPE 2 is a close one, because it goes from TYPE 0 to TYPE 5... Here's a paper describing the French climate station network... sadly for me, it's in French :-) http://documents.irevues.inist.fr/bitstream/handle/2042/36262/meteo_2003_40_40.pdf?sequence=1 From what I understand Type 1 and 2 report hourly, while I think the lower types only report less often? This is the same as the UK network, with '03 block' synop sites and '99 block' CDLs reporting SYNOPS and Hourly Climate Messages (HCMs). Some stations only phone-home once a day at 2100 UTC; and it's those three categories which are used for the daily extremes page on the Met Office website. 03 sites usually have Stevenson screens; most 99s have Vaisala circular louvered screens which have been calibrated to the Stevenson. There are many more stations from which data is only collected once a month, via an electronic equivalent of Metform 3208. Most of these use Stevenson screens. I'm not sure any paper forms are used today :-) . I think Brogdale used to belong to this category; it might still do. Edited June 28, 2019 by Dan G Link to post Share on other sites
P.K. 225 Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 I'm not sure what your data source is for that Dan but all UKMO '99' sites use the same Stevenson screens as the '03' sites. Both types report back hourly also. Link to post Share on other sites
southathens 166 Posted June 28, 2019 Report Share Posted June 28, 2019 Astonishing! 45.9C in France as the official record!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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